{"id":215,"date":"2018-11-05T21:46:54","date_gmt":"2018-11-05T21:46:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/frankpolster.com\/blog\/?p=215"},"modified":"2018-11-06T02:10:36","modified_gmt":"2018-11-06T02:10:36","slug":"e-learning-1-and-2-conversation-with-george-siemens-a-different-take","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/frankpolster.com\/blog\/elearn30\/e-learning-1-and-2-conversation-with-george-siemens-a-different-take\/","title":{"rendered":"E-Learning 1 and 2 Conversation with George Siemens &#8211; A Different Take"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I had a very different take on Downes&#8217;s and Siemen&#8217;s Conversation than Roland Legrand\u2019s elearn30 blog post &#8220;What and How to learn and teach in times of Artificial Intelligence?&#8221;\u00a0 I think they actually answered the question and I would like to take their insight a bit further.<\/p>\n<p>To start off here are the three salient questions that come out of their conversation \u2013<\/p>\n<p>1. <em>What&#8217;s unique for humanity in terms of what computers can\u2019t do?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This question was answered with this next question asking for unique domains for a human.<\/p>\n<p>2. <em>What is or are the final unique domain (s) of human control?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>For Siemens, it is &#8220;Beingness&#8221; or as he says later on \u201ccontemplative processes of the ethical life. For Downes, it is &#8220;kindness and compassion&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>3. <em>What does learning look like for humans when computers learn better and faster than we can?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Stephens reply is that in the future \u2013<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The capacity to choose the capacity to make decisions to define what\u2019s important that\u2019s the role we will be playing in the future and that&#8217;s sort of skill and support that which we should be providing student, beginning now\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>So, in a world where AI\/ machine learning robots are smarter and learn faster than we do, Downes suggest a coexistence state between robots and humans, with the idea that we are the &#8220;ghost in the machine, a reference to Issac Asimov\u2019s I, Robot. Downes suggests that we will experience things from a different view than the machine and that we are the voice in the computer\u2019s \u201chead\u201d that says I see it differently.<\/p>\n<p>But what are the things we would see differently than we would define as an important choice than what an AI machine\/robot would choose?<\/p>\n<p>If you accept Downes unique human domain as &#8220;kindness and compassion&#8221; those tasks requiring empathy, &#8220;kindness and compassion&#8221;, come to my mind.<\/p>\n<p>As an example, a machine learning diagnostic robot that has a 100% accuracy rate in its diagnosis and prognosis of a patient with terminal stage 4 cancer is a great aid to medicine and the doctor. But from the patient&#8217;s point of view, the delivery of that prognosis may be better delivered by a doctor instead of the machine who has the capacity to choose the circumstances and make the decision on the right manner to tell her patient the diagnostic results with empathy, &#8220;kindness and compassion&#8221;. That human &#8220;bedside manner&#8221; I think is an example of a unique domain skill over a machine and our capacity to choose and make decisions as the &#8220;ghost in the machine&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Here are two question and a challenge to the E-Learning 3.0 cohort readers of this post.<\/p>\n<p><em>What are other fields of study that require empathy, &#8220;kindness and compassion&#8221;?<\/em> Fields of study that require interaction with people come to mind like social services, healthcare, spiritual counseling, emergency management.<\/p>\n<p><em>What are the skills, talents, and education required for the \u201cghost in the machine\u201d<\/em> <em>that provides that alternative view? <\/em>The field of computer science comes to mind with an emphasis on the ethics of AI and machine learning algorithms. Or the talent not to rely on Amazon&#8217;s &#8220;Alexi&#8221; for the degree of cooking successfully a 5 lb pork butt besides telling\u00a0 &#8220;Alexi&#8221;\u00a0 to &#8220;set my Hotpoint Oven at 325 degrees at\u00a0 4:30 PM to cook the\u00a0 5 lb pork butt for a time of 3 hours&#8221;.\u00a0 The &#8220;ghost&#8221; may make\u00a0the choice to extend or curtail the cooking time based on its idea of\u00a0 &#8220;doneness&#8221; of the pork butt based on the reported internal temperature of the pork butt and a sense of how the oven maintains the cooking temperature or its own subjective view of &#8220;doneness&#8221; in its opinion of what &#8220;Alexi&#8221; is suggesting for &#8220;doneness&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 1rem;\">Here\u00a0<\/span>times<span style=\"font-size: 1rem;\">is my challenge to all the E-Learning 3.0 cohort and a task associated with course module <\/span><em style=\"font-size: 1rem;\">E-Learning 1 and 2 Conversation with George Siemens<\/em><span style=\"font-size: 1rem;\">. Please comment on what fields, skills, talents, and education that you think are unique domains of humans like Stephen\u2019s \u201ckindness and compassion&#8221; and the skills, talents, and education required for the \u201cghost in the machine\u201d that provides that alternative view.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>In closing, the cynical \u201dghost\u201d inside of me says the world is and will continue to be dangerous as long as there are the inequalities, the haves, and have-nots and that the flipside of kindness and goodness &#8211; unkindness and badness &#8211; will also be part of that final domain of ours. Dealing with that flipside is also our unique task as humans.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks, Frank<\/p>\n<p>P.S. For Stephen Downes &#8211; This blog post also meets the 1st task for week 2 \u201cuse the course OPML file to subscribe to the course feeds which led me to Roland Legrand&#8221;s elearn30 blog post &#8220;What and How to learn and teach in times of Artificial Intelligence?&#8221;\u00a0 Which I have commented on in this blog post. I also hope that I will meet week 2\u2019s second task with my challenge task to the E-Learning 3.0 cohort on requesting comments on what fields, skills, talents, and education that they think are unique domains of humans like Stephen\u2019s \u201ckindness and compassion&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I had a very different take on Downes&#8217;s and Siemen&#8217;s Conversation than Roland Legrand\u2019s elearn30 blog post &#8220;What and How to learn and teach in times of Artificial Intelligence?&#8221;\u00a0 I think they actually answered the question and I would like to take their insight a bit further. 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